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Author Topic: Issues related to loose microUSB and other hardware issues.  (Read 4102 times)

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Issues related to loose microUSB and other hardware issues.
« on: December 09, 2011, 05:04:49 AM »
(partially copied-and-pasted from the official TPT forums: ( http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/Let-s-recap-here-How-to-save-this-product/m-p/615587#M7878 ))

Regarding the problems the TPT has had and the lack of responsiveness from Lenovo:

Sony Ericsson went through something similar with the Xperia X10. They let it languish; updates were very slow. Then chat began about the next version of the Xperia line, the Arc. X10 customers were upset. SE was abandoning them. Many complained on the SE forums; others said the situation was hopeless.

I began looking for previews and reviews of the Arc and wrote in the comments section that buying a Sony Ericsson (SE) phone was a risk. I cogently and briefly related how SE had practically abandoned the prior phone and asked why the next phone would be any different. A few others joined in on this. Soon, most articles on the future SE phones had several messages pointing out how bad SE had handled the prior phones. I thought about making a wiki listing the problems and review sites; it wasn't even necessary. It did not take many of us. And it only took a month or so before SE did a full 180 and became the darling of the modding community. They not only promised all future phones would be kept more up to date, they also relented and promised to update the already existing phones. They knew their history was the most reliable indicator of future behavior.

Mission Accomplished!

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« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 08:52:49 PM by Babyfacemagee »

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How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 07:47:54 AM »
I have always hold this saying, "If the baby doesn't cry, he doesnt get his milk..."

Complacency is so prevalent in my country, but I don't hink that so much the case in the US. I have pretty much read all reviews you can find on this tablet before I purchased it, and there are sooooooo many mixed experiences it's not funny.

I believe that few positive feedbacks are accounted to the emotional attachment to their investment, IE. That because they have paid big bucks for this, they're either blind or don't want to admit the little dowfalls that are generally present on the tablet (bear in mind that I can't contribute personally yet and my previus comments were based solely on the reviews I've read).

Let's see what the result if this is. Buy I do believe that some of the general issues have already made it to the higher-ups at Lenovo...

Just ny 2c

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2011, 07:49:37 AM by ron2k_1 »
Why the big words, when simply a diminutive utterance will suffice!!!

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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 09:16:54 AM »
I am in the process of buying a tablet and being the owner of two thinkpad laptops and being mostly satisiflied I am looking at the thinkpad tablet. After reading these forum posts I am putting off buying a tablet until some improvement comes from lenovo. I am starting to take a serious look at the asus prime tablet and it is looking pretty good so lenovo it is time to start addressing some of these short comings because you are losing sales.

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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 02:41:12 PM »
I get the feeling that Lenovo doesn't care about the TPT.  I think that they are going to fix all the issues with the next release of tablets pushing the Tegra 3. 

I have tried to contact Lenovo on many different occasions.  I actually got a response to return the TPT and wait for the new Tegra 3 next year....   not the answer you are looking for when your trying to get support for something that you spent almost $700 on...  I am dissapointed with Lenovo.  I don't think that I will be purchasing products from them again.  Sucks because we are deploying new laptops across my organization. I purchased a Thinkpad T500 for myself at work and was going to push another 100 of them out... due to poor support from Lenovo, I will be taking my business to Dell or HP.

I feel that anyone who has purchased a thinkpad tablet was taken.. I doubt Lenovo will do anything with this tablet.

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« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 09:05:56 PM by Babyfacemagee »

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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 05:46:28 PM »
I don't quite feel taken, but I would in general agree that there's is a lot still desired and not delivered upon after using this tablet.

For my notes taking purposes it covers me pretty well.
Streaming 720p mp4 files across my network, decent, a little laggy at times.
General responsiveness of tablet: mixed. It can fly, and at times this thing can crawl sometimes (web browsing in particular)

Lenovo, if you are not going to regularly update & bug fixes this tablet, get this locked bootloader off and let XDA take power.

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2011, 05:48:07 PM by xi slick ix »

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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 10:42:06 AM »
I would suggest we keep our discussions in the proper perspective and avoid "Lenovo Bashing". Certainly there are bugs and flaws in our device that should be addressed and IMHO Lenovo will address the major ones, if we as advanced users, make those issues known from a constructive perspective. We have to consider that the Android Tablet market does not have the years of growth that the PC market has enjoyed, so we will not have the maturity in our Android Tablet that we have come to expect in our PC's. On another note, I certainly would not want to see the growth of Android devices restricted as is seen in IOS ones, which by this restriction creates a more stable platform. I consider the Android Table Market to be like a runaway locomotive as it plays catch-up to IOS and that the Android manufacturer that learns to balance growth and functionally will be the market winner. As an additional suggestion, I would like to see a new forum topic for something like "Bug and Fixes", where we could log the bugs and flaws we find, as well as, the fixes when they are delivered. My TPT is not my perfect tablet, but honestly it is far superior to my first Android tablet, which I purchased last May.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 10:59:54 AM by S. Prime »
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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 11:18:53 AM »
Lenovo bashing? If I were bashing them, I'd be saying that Lenovo is too stupid to ever fix the TPT, or something like that. I don't  see how my criticism rubs you the wrong way, Prime. I'm suggesting a strategy to get Lenovo to fix what is inarguably broken. The micro-USB fiasco alone serves as evidence of how unwilling Lenovo can be to fix their mistakes.

With the lack of communication from Lenovo on this, I'm  not willing to just sit back and trust them to do the right thing out of the kidness of their heart. They are already demonstrably screwing up. Lenovo needs "enhanced guidance" from the market, in my opinion. Is it not OK to voice this opinion here?
« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 11:28:17 AM by shonangreg »

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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 04:20:28 PM »
just a question, what is exactly the problem with micro usb ?

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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2011, 06:02:56 PM »
shonangreg, may be able to give you more information from a personal standpoint, but there have been numerous reports of the micro-usb port breaking from the motherboard. Lenovo originally classified it as user abuse, but due to the number of occurrences, it is now classified it as an engineering defect and it is being repaired as a warranty item. If your TPT fails to charge (not that it charges slowly) and the micro-usb connector appears loose when you plug in your charger, contact Lenovo support for repair. If you want to read the good the bad and the ugly click on the link below, but be sure to read the entirety of the thread.

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/Warranty-refused-broken-USB-port/td-p/561663
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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 11:50:43 PM »
It would seem to me that Lenovo changing its policy repairing the MicroUSB under warranty from the previous assumption of 'user error/abuse' is evidence that the company in fact is listening to customers and keeping tabs on the issues with the TPT.  As S. Prime stated before, this is a first generation product and as with just about all first generation products there are always unforeseen issues that crop up after the device has been out for awhile.  I can't think of any product that gets it perfect in its very first version.   I have a HP TouchPad, Toshiba Thrive and a TPT.   All three are first generation products and all three have had issues.

My TouchPad started developing hairline cracks in the plastic around the corners of the display shortly after I got it even though I babied it and had it in a case since the very first day.  Just like the MicroUSB issue with the TPT when the first few reports came in they assumed it was rough handling by customers.   After a few dozen reports came in from different people however they agreed it was probably a manufacturing issue that affected some tablets and they agreed to replace them under warranty.   I had mine replaced and so far have not had the cracks recurr. 

On my Thrive there was an issue where the tablet simply would not wake from sleep many times when I first got the tablet.  I would have to do an entire hard reset and lose any information or open apps or sites I was on previously.  It was very frustrating since I'd basically have to leave the tablet on all day or turn it completely off.  I couldn't put it to sleep.    An OS update eventually solved this problem. 

Keep in mind that this is not an official Lenovo site and therefore there are no Lenovo employees that are here to answer your questions or give any kind of warranty responses.   

I will say this though.  I generally believe that you catch far more flies with honey than you do with threats.  In my opinion the best way to get a company, Lenovo or otherwise to respond well/generously/appopriately with an issue is to 'kill them with kindness' and let them know how much you genuinely enjoy using their products.   Then you can mention this one serious/annoying issue that you've come across and I'd be willing to bet they will act favorably.   If however you come across as nasty, demanding or disrespectful you'll probably just end up getting  a door slammed in your face.   

Remember companies are just a bunch of individuals.  The particular phone representative or technical support person you speak to is a human being that responds best just like all human beings...when they're treated with courtesy, respect and patience.  In my own personal experience dealing with companies I always get a better result when I come across as a passionate and friendly advocate of their products.   If however I've had little sleep, am cranky and start acting bossy on the phone...I typically end up with nothing.   

As far as my rules in this forum with regards criticisms or issues with Lenovo products I have no problems with discussing any technical, hardware or OS issues that a person has as long as the post is done in a constructive, non-attacking or negative way.   This forum is used by thousands of people every week and the vast majority I come in contact with are very happy with their TPT and I plan on keeping this forum a positive experience for people.

However, As the forum administrator I do have to put some limits on the content of this forum if I feel it crosses a line that does not serve the purpose of the forum or forum members or in fact could be detrimental.  I don't believe using this forum to 'orchestrate' any kind of 'action' or campaign against a company's products is appropriate nor does it serve the interests of this community.  Therefore, I am ending/locking this thread and redacting the pertinent parts.    If a forum member disagrees with this he/she is free to open up his own website or discussion board but it doesn't fit in with the tone or intent of this forum.   

« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 09:32:26 AM by Babyfacemagee »
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Re: How we customers can kick Lenovo's butt into gear on this one
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 08:50:46 PM »
I think S. Prime had a good suggestion to create a 'bugs and fixes' board. I've created a 'bugs and fixes' daughter board under the help board.  Feel free to post in there.  I'm also moving this topic to the new board and re-titling it as well as removing the lock so that people may continue the discussion regarding various bugs of the TPT and how to go about fixing them.  I've also had to redact any posts I felt were touching on 'Lenovo bashing' which while I know some might feel otherwise, I believe only hurt the long term health of the forum and thus I will not allow. 

With regards to how repair/replacement/bug issues are handled by Lenovo or any other company I have no problem with a simple statement of fact of whether something was or was not fixed and even if you were or were not happy with the result.  But that's where any negativity must stop on this forum.  Thank you. 
« Last Edit: December 12, 2011, 03:05:27 AM by Babyfacemagee »
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Re: Issues related to loose microUSB and other hardware issues.
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2011, 09:18:35 PM »
I suggest you give instructions to have one issue per thread so we can follow those that have been addressed and those that still bugging around...

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2011, 03:06:05 AM »
Good idea.  I'll make it a sticky.
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Re: Issues related to loose microUSB and other hardware issues.
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 05:52:38 AM »
Hello,

Did someone can share experience about Lenovo fixing this issue ?
I've got my usb connector loose for some months and now it didin't charge anymore.

Have sent it for repair to Lenovo (they send me UPS to get the tablet without problem after I contact them to explain the problem).
Just want to know what kind of repair they does (new connector is more solid ?) and if they check the tablet in deep ?
Because I was root and have no more functional recovery on the tablet (yeah, messed up with ICS upgrade)... hope it will not cause problem with warranty :/


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Re: Issues related to loose microUSB and other hardware issues.
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 07:44:49 AM »
It is my understanding that they change out the board that the usb connector is attached to. Keep us posted.

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